Paul Jacobson: The controversial 2007 SA Blog Awards
Stii
· 2 years ago
Geez, mate! You hit it spot on. That was what I was trying to convey, but in my words it just sounded terrible... Good points Paul.
Stii
· 2 years ago
Geez, mate! You hit it spot on. That was what I was trying to convey, but in my words it just sounded terrible... Good points Paul.
Stii
· 2 years ago
Geez, mate! You hit it spot on. That was what I was trying to convey, but in my words it just sounded terrible... Good points Paul.
Paul
· 2 years ago
Thanks man! Just throwing some words together ... ;)
Paul
· 2 years ago
Thanks man! Just throwing some words together ... ;)
Paul
· 2 years ago
Thanks man! Just throwing some words together ... ;)
Neville Newey
· 2 years ago
> The first challenge will be making sure that all the blogs that people might want to vote for are added to the list and somehow categorised but I am sure the geeks could work out the details there.
As it happens, and because of the geeks that we are, Stii, Miguel, IrcMaidon and myself were discussing this last Friday night (See thats how us geeks spend our Firday evenings :) We did come up with a few proposals for how we would do this, for example one suggestion was to have a special dedicated tag, say 'blogs08' that any item wanting to be included in the running has to be tagged with. There are also various schemes possible for getting these automatically tagged once this system "knows" that a domain is a blog. Then the highest ranked items with that tag (or any variation thereof) in the top view at the end of the year could form the shortlist of nominations. So basically the finer details just need to be worked out and agreed upon but such a system, I believe could work very well.
Paul
· 2 years ago
Brilliant! I'm looking forward to seeing how this all comes together! The process of adding blogs should start sooner than later so we have time to get them all added to the list.
Rob
· 2 years ago
"throwing some words together"... whatever..., those were some great thoughts and an excellent summation of the situation. Whatever happens, this is new ground for all of us so at least we're talking about it, learning and I believe improving.
The one concern I have about using Muti for the voting is that in small communities it can be gamed like the logo votes have been. Hopefully as more people use it, this will be tougher.
Neville Newey
· 2 years ago
> The first challenge will be making sure that all the blogs that people might want to vote for are added to the list and somehow categorised but I am sure the geeks could work out the details there.
As it happens, and because of the geeks that we are, Stii, Miguel, IrcMaidon and myself were discussing this last Friday night (See thats how us geeks spend our Firday evenings :) We did come up with a few proposals for how we would do this, for example one suggestion was to have a special dedicated tag, say 'blogs08' that any item wanting to be included in the running has to be tagged with. There are also various schemes possible for getting these automatically tagged once this system "knows" that a domain is a blog. Then the highest ranked items with that tag (or any variation thereof) in the top view at the end of the year could form the shortlist of nominations. So basically the finer details just need to be worked out and agreed upon but such a system, I believe could work very well.
Neville Newey
· 2 years ago
> The first challenge will be making sure that all the blogs that people might want to vote for are added to the list and somehow categorised but I am sure the geeks could work out the details there.
As it happens, and because of the geeks that we are, Stii, Miguel, IrcMaidon and myself were discussing this last Friday night (See thats how us geeks spend our Firday evenings :) We did come up with a few proposals for how we would do this, for example one suggestion was to have a special dedicated tag, say 'blogs08' that any item wanting to be included in the running has to be tagged with. There are also various schemes possible for getting these automatically tagged once this system "knows" that a domain is a blog. Then the highest ranked items with that tag (or any variation thereof) in the top view at the end of the year could form the shortlist of nominations. So basically the finer details just need to be worked out and agreed upon but such a system, I believe could work very well.
Paul
· 2 years ago
Brilliant! I'm looking forward to seeing how this all comes together! The process of adding blogs should start sooner than later so we have time to get them all added to the list.
Paul
· 2 years ago
Brilliant! I'm looking forward to seeing how this all comes together! The process of adding blogs should start sooner than later so we have time to get them all added to the list.
Rob
· 2 years ago
"throwing some words together"... whatever..., those were some great thoughts and an excellent summation of the situation. Whatever happens, this is new ground for all of us so at least we're talking about it, learning and I believe improving.
The one concern I have about using Muti for the voting is that in small communities it can be gamed like the logo votes have been. Hopefully as more people use it, this will be tougher.
Rob
· 2 years ago
"throwing some words together"... whatever..., those were some great thoughts and an excellent summation of the situation. Whatever happens, this is new ground for all of us so at least we're talking about it, learning and I believe improving.
The one concern I have about using Muti for the voting is that in small communities it can be gamed like the logo votes have been. Hopefully as more people use it, this will be tougher.
Paul
· 2 years ago
Hi Rob
Thanks for the kind words. I didn't mean to suggest that Muti itself be used but rather something that works like Muti/Digg. The idea is that people will have to log in (so we can only vote on each blog once) and then either vote for a blog or not. Once the vote is logged, it will go into the database. Blogs should be categorised according to whichever categories exist at the time or there should be a set of checkboxes so voters can choose the category for each blog being voted for. The system should also ensure that duplicate entries are not included in the list.
I also suggest that there be at least 2 rounds of voting. The first vote will be to identify the shortlist of, say, 10 blogs per category and the second round of voting will result in the winner in each category and runners-up.
This process has the advantage of limiting any possible influence of the judges themselves (not that I believe the judges were anything but diligent and honest but some people disagree) and the voting process is driven by the community, hopefully with all the possible blogs being part of the process. The challenge with this year's process is that there was no real chance of a voter seeing a blog he/she forgot about being voted on by other people and deciding to include that blog in his/her vote. This is a bit like a recommendation thing as well.
Ok, lots of ideas here for the next year's process so if anyone wants to brainstorm a bit more, feel free to give me a call or drop me an email?
Paul
· 2 years ago
Hi Rob
Thanks for the kind words. I didn't mean to suggest that Muti itself be used but rather something that works like Muti/Digg. The idea is that people will have to log in (so we can only vote on each blog once) and then either vote for a blog or not. Once the vote is logged, it will go into the database. Blogs should be categorised according to whichever categories exist at the time or there should be a set of checkboxes so voters can choose the category for each blog being voted for. The system should also ensure that duplicate entries are not included in the list.
I also suggest that there be at least 2 rounds of voting. The first vote will be to identify the shortlist of, say, 10 blogs per category and the second round of voting will result in the winner in each category and runners-up.
This process has the advantage of limiting any possible influence of the judges themselves (not that I believe the judges were anything but diligent and honest but some people disagree) and the voting process is driven by the community, hopefully with all the possible blogs being part of the process. The challenge with this year's process is that there was no real chance of a voter seeing a blog he/she forgot about being voted on by other people and deciding to include that blog in his/her vote. This is a bit like a recommendation thing as well.
Ok, lots of ideas here for the next year's process so if anyone wants to brainstorm a bit more, feel free to give me a call or drop me an email?
Paul
· 2 years ago
Hi Rob
Thanks for the kind words. I didn't mean to suggest that Muti itself be used but rather something that works like Muti/Digg. The idea is that people will have to log in (so we can only vote on each blog once) and then either vote for a blog or not. Once the vote is logged, it will go into the database. Blogs should be categorised according to whichever categories exist at the time or there should be a set of checkboxes so voters can choose the category for each blog being voted for. The system should also ensure that duplicate entries are not included in the list.
I also suggest that there be at least 2 rounds of voting. The first vote will be to identify the shortlist of, say, 10 blogs per category and the second round of voting will result in the winner in each category and runners-up.
This process has the advantage of limiting any possible influence of the judges themselves (not that I believe the judges were anything but diligent and honest but some people disagree) and the voting process is driven by the community, hopefully with all the possible blogs being part of the process. The challenge with this year's process is that there was no real chance of a voter seeing a blog he/she forgot about being voted on by other people and deciding to include that blog in his/her vote. This is a bit like a recommendation thing as well.
Ok, lots of ideas here for the next year's process so if anyone wants to brainstorm a bit more, feel free to give me a call or drop me an email?
Vincent Maher
· 2 years ago
Great analysis Paul, though I still think the solution is a s simple as saying "the judges are not eligible".
Vincent Maher
· 2 years ago
Great analysis Paul, though I still think the solution is a s simple as saying "the judges are not eligible".
Vincent Maher
· 2 years ago
Great analysis Paul, though I still think the solution is a s simple as saying "the judges are not eligible".
Colin Daniels
· 2 years ago
Nice summary Paul.
Believe it or not I do believe we are doing a lot right at the moment and there are some real dedicated guys out there who are in it for the right reasons. As always, there is much room for improvement and I hope this starts to happen sooner rather than later ;-)
Colin Daniels
· 2 years ago
Nice summary Paul.
Believe it or not I do believe we are doing a lot right at the moment and there are some real dedicated guys out there who are in it for the right reasons. As always, there is much room for improvement and I hope this starts to happen sooner rather than later ;-)
Colin Daniels
· 2 years ago
Nice summary Paul.
Believe it or not I do believe we are doing a lot right at the moment and there are some real dedicated guys out there who are in it for the right reasons. As always, there is much room for improvement and I hope this starts to happen sooner rather than later ;-)
Paul
· 2 years ago
Hi Vincent, thanks for your comment.
Hi Colin, I believe it completely. My partner in chili, Victoire, was/is one of the judges and I know some of the others so I really don't believe there was anything underhand going on there. The judges may be influential in their own right but I genuinely believe they were doing the best job they could.
Paul
· 2 years ago
Hi Vincent, thanks for your comment.
Hi Colin, I believe it completely. My partner in chili, Victoire, was/is one of the judges and I know some of the others so I really don't believe there was anything underhand going on there. The judges may be influential in their own right but I genuinely believe they were doing the best job they could.
Paul
· 2 years ago
Hi Vincent, thanks for your comment.
Hi Colin, I believe it completely. My partner in chili, Victoire, was/is one of the judges and I know some of the others so I really don't believe there was anything underhand going on there. The judges may be influential in their own right but I genuinely believe they were doing the best job they could.
Shaun Oakes
· 2 years ago
Hello there, Wired Gecko. Good article, I thought it was strange that my stupendously briliant website wasn't nominated this year.
Many evenings were spent crying myself to sleep, trying to figure out why.
This makes perfect sense, and I can now get on with my life again.
Shaun Oakes
· 2 years ago
Hello there, Wired Gecko. Good article, I thought it was strange that my stupendously briliant website wasn't nominated this year.
Many evenings were spent crying myself to sleep, trying to figure out why.
This makes perfect sense, and I can now get on with my life again.
Shaun Oakes
· 2 years ago
Hello there, Wired Gecko. Good article, I thought it was strange that my stupendously briliant website wasn't nominated this year.
Many evenings were spent crying myself to sleep, trying to figure out why.
This makes perfect sense, and I can now get on with my life again.
Paul
· 2 years ago
Shaun, I feel your pain. I went through many boxes of cheap tissues when I saw Wired Gecko wasn't nominated but then I remembered that it is all about the children ... I mean, all the bloggers and the sun came out again!
Paul
· 2 years ago
Shaun, I feel your pain. I went through many boxes of cheap tissues when I saw Wired Gecko wasn't nominated but then I remembered that it is all about the children ... I mean, all the bloggers and the sun came out again!
Paul
· 2 years ago
Shaun, I feel your pain. I went through many boxes of cheap tissues when I saw Wired Gecko wasn't nominated but then I remembered that it is all about the children ... I mean, all the bloggers and the sun came out again!
Sven
· 2 years ago
hahaha was getting a bit one sided in any cases, just give the best overall trophy to 2oceansvibe and move along.
Sven
· 2 years ago
hahaha was getting a bit one sided in any cases, just give the best overall trophy to 2oceansvibe and move along.
Sven
· 2 years ago
hahaha was getting a bit one sided in any cases, just give the best overall trophy to 2oceansvibe and move along.
All Comments
As it happens, and because of the geeks that we are, Stii, Miguel, IrcMaidon and myself were discussing this last Friday night (See thats how us geeks spend our Firday evenings :) We did come up with a few proposals for how we would do this, for example one suggestion was to have a special dedicated tag, say 'blogs08' that any item wanting to be included in the running has to be tagged with. There are also various schemes possible for getting these automatically tagged once this system "knows" that a domain is a blog. Then the highest ranked items with that tag (or any variation thereof) in the top view at the end of the year could form the shortlist of nominations. So basically the finer details just need to be worked out and agreed upon but such a system, I believe could work very well.
The one concern I have about using Muti for the voting is that in small communities it can be gamed like the logo votes have been. Hopefully as more people use it, this will be tougher.
As it happens, and because of the geeks that we are, Stii, Miguel, IrcMaidon and myself were discussing this last Friday night (See thats how us geeks spend our Firday evenings :) We did come up with a few proposals for how we would do this, for example one suggestion was to have a special dedicated tag, say 'blogs08' that any item wanting to be included in the running has to be tagged with. There are also various schemes possible for getting these automatically tagged once this system "knows" that a domain is a blog. Then the highest ranked items with that tag (or any variation thereof) in the top view at the end of the year could form the shortlist of nominations. So basically the finer details just need to be worked out and agreed upon but such a system, I believe could work very well.
As it happens, and because of the geeks that we are, Stii, Miguel, IrcMaidon and myself were discussing this last Friday night (See thats how us geeks spend our Firday evenings :) We did come up with a few proposals for how we would do this, for example one suggestion was to have a special dedicated tag, say 'blogs08' that any item wanting to be included in the running has to be tagged with. There are also various schemes possible for getting these automatically tagged once this system "knows" that a domain is a blog. Then the highest ranked items with that tag (or any variation thereof) in the top view at the end of the year could form the shortlist of nominations. So basically the finer details just need to be worked out and agreed upon but such a system, I believe could work very well.
The one concern I have about using Muti for the voting is that in small communities it can be gamed like the logo votes have been. Hopefully as more people use it, this will be tougher.
The one concern I have about using Muti for the voting is that in small communities it can be gamed like the logo votes have been. Hopefully as more people use it, this will be tougher.
Thanks for the kind words. I didn't mean to suggest that Muti itself be used but rather something that works like Muti/Digg. The idea is that people will have to log in (so we can only vote on each blog once) and then either vote for a blog or not. Once the vote is logged, it will go into the database. Blogs should be categorised according to whichever categories exist at the time or there should be a set of checkboxes so voters can choose the category for each blog being voted for. The system should also ensure that duplicate entries are not included in the list.
I also suggest that there be at least 2 rounds of voting. The first vote will be to identify the shortlist of, say, 10 blogs per category and the second round of voting will result in the winner in each category and runners-up.
This process has the advantage of limiting any possible influence of the judges themselves (not that I believe the judges were anything but diligent and honest but some people disagree) and the voting process is driven by the community, hopefully with all the possible blogs being part of the process. The challenge with this year's process is that there was no real chance of a voter seeing a blog he/she forgot about being voted on by other people and deciding to include that blog in his/her vote. This is a bit like a recommendation thing as well.
Ok, lots of ideas here for the next year's process so if anyone wants to brainstorm a bit more, feel free to give me a call or drop me an email?
Thanks for the kind words. I didn't mean to suggest that Muti itself be used but rather something that works like Muti/Digg. The idea is that people will have to log in (so we can only vote on each blog once) and then either vote for a blog or not. Once the vote is logged, it will go into the database. Blogs should be categorised according to whichever categories exist at the time or there should be a set of checkboxes so voters can choose the category for each blog being voted for. The system should also ensure that duplicate entries are not included in the list.
I also suggest that there be at least 2 rounds of voting. The first vote will be to identify the shortlist of, say, 10 blogs per category and the second round of voting will result in the winner in each category and runners-up.
This process has the advantage of limiting any possible influence of the judges themselves (not that I believe the judges were anything but diligent and honest but some people disagree) and the voting process is driven by the community, hopefully with all the possible blogs being part of the process. The challenge with this year's process is that there was no real chance of a voter seeing a blog he/she forgot about being voted on by other people and deciding to include that blog in his/her vote. This is a bit like a recommendation thing as well.
Ok, lots of ideas here for the next year's process so if anyone wants to brainstorm a bit more, feel free to give me a call or drop me an email?
Thanks for the kind words. I didn't mean to suggest that Muti itself be used but rather something that works like Muti/Digg. The idea is that people will have to log in (so we can only vote on each blog once) and then either vote for a blog or not. Once the vote is logged, it will go into the database. Blogs should be categorised according to whichever categories exist at the time or there should be a set of checkboxes so voters can choose the category for each blog being voted for. The system should also ensure that duplicate entries are not included in the list.
I also suggest that there be at least 2 rounds of voting. The first vote will be to identify the shortlist of, say, 10 blogs per category and the second round of voting will result in the winner in each category and runners-up.
This process has the advantage of limiting any possible influence of the judges themselves (not that I believe the judges were anything but diligent and honest but some people disagree) and the voting process is driven by the community, hopefully with all the possible blogs being part of the process. The challenge with this year's process is that there was no real chance of a voter seeing a blog he/she forgot about being voted on by other people and deciding to include that blog in his/her vote. This is a bit like a recommendation thing as well.
Ok, lots of ideas here for the next year's process so if anyone wants to brainstorm a bit more, feel free to give me a call or drop me an email?
Believe it or not I do believe we are doing a lot right at the moment and there are some real dedicated guys out there who are in it for the right reasons. As always, there is much room for improvement and I hope this starts to happen sooner rather than later ;-)
Believe it or not I do believe we are doing a lot right at the moment and there are some real dedicated guys out there who are in it for the right reasons. As always, there is much room for improvement and I hope this starts to happen sooner rather than later ;-)
Believe it or not I do believe we are doing a lot right at the moment and there are some real dedicated guys out there who are in it for the right reasons. As always, there is much room for improvement and I hope this starts to happen sooner rather than later ;-)
Hi Colin, I believe it completely. My partner in chili, Victoire, was/is one of the judges and I know some of the others so I really don't believe there was anything underhand going on there. The judges may be influential in their own right but I genuinely believe they were doing the best job they could.
Hi Colin, I believe it completely. My partner in chili, Victoire, was/is one of the judges and I know some of the others so I really don't believe there was anything underhand going on there. The judges may be influential in their own right but I genuinely believe they were doing the best job they could.
Hi Colin, I believe it completely. My partner in chili, Victoire, was/is one of the judges and I know some of the others so I really don't believe there was anything underhand going on there. The judges may be influential in their own right but I genuinely believe they were doing the best job they could.
Many evenings were spent crying myself to sleep, trying to figure out why.
This makes perfect sense, and I can now get on with my life again.
Many evenings were spent crying myself to sleep, trying to figure out why.
This makes perfect sense, and I can now get on with my life again.
Many evenings were spent crying myself to sleep, trying to figure out why.
This makes perfect sense, and I can now get on with my life again.
Why had the honours to the same blog each year?
Why had the honours to the same blog each year?
Why had the honours to the same blog each year?